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记者:三十年来,我一直听说科学技术机构在管理水平和整个协作关系上将需要加强。你能在某种程度上对这种改革做一适当的评论,并列举事例说明一下对这一改革浪潮的相应体制建立吗? 伊平小野:在整个日本,我们处处可以看到,各独立部门或机构的工作负担正在减轻,例如,科学与技术机构(STA),国际贸易与工业部(MITI),卫生与福利部(MHW),这类负担可以得到解决。但行政工作惊人的增多甚至横向蔓延到几个部或机构。因此,我认为,这种状态如果下去,势必会使一个部或机构难
Reporter: For three decades, I have always heard that science and technology institutions will need to be strengthened on the level of management and the entire collaborative relationship. Can you make a proper comment on this kind of reform to some extent and cite examples to illustrate the establishment of a corresponding system for the wave of reform? Ipin Ono: Throughout Japan, we can see everywhere that independent agencies or Institutional workloads are being eased, for example, the STAs, MITI, MHW can be addressed. However, the alarming increase in administrative work has even spread laterally to several ministries or agencies. Therefore, I think that if this state of affairs continues, it is bound to make it difficult for a ministry or institution