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学校的职责就是育人，把“无知”的学生教育成为有文化、有道德的人。可是也有人把学校比喻成一个制造模型的机器，培养出来的学生成了没有思想的“商品”。很多時候，学校只强调向学生灌输知识，而忽略了学生的个性和天赋。作为学生或曾经的学生，你怎么看？
Host： Sir Ken Robinson is considered one of the prominent voices of education today. Producer Aurora Velez met him in Paris to talk about talents， innovation and educational challenges.
主持人：肯·罗宾逊爵士被认为是当今教育界最权威的声音之一。制片人奥罗拉·维莱斯在巴黎采访了他，一起谈谈天赋、创造力以及教育面临的挑战。
Aurora： Sir Ken Robinson， in your latest book， The Element， you talk about our talents. Is the school killing them？ In which way？
Robinson： Well， schools sometimes ignore them， I would say. Part of the argument of the book is that we all have very different talents， and they show themselves in all sorts of different areas. You know， for some people， it may be science or mathematics; for other people it may be dance or music. I always think of human talents like the Earth’s natural resources. You know， they may be there， but you may never discover them. They may be buried. You may have to work hard to find them. And schools tend to focus on a very narrow idea of ability， you know， particularly a certain sort of academic work， so it’s why students at school spend most of their time writing and sitting down. And I’m not saying those things aren’t important， but they’re not the whole of human talent， and so schools often ignore young people’s real talent. You know， I think that…that we do need a revolution in education， so the change is beginning to happen， and I think it’ll get faster.
奥罗拉：肯·罗宾逊爵士，在你最新的书《让天赋自由》中，你讲到了天赋。学校是否抹杀了我们的天赋，体现在哪方面呢？
罗宾逊：我认为学校有时候会忽略掉学生的天赋。书中的部分观点就是我们都有着各自不同的天赋，体现在不同的领域中。例如，有些人有科学或数学方面的天赋，有些人可能有舞蹈或音乐方面的天赋。我一直认为人类的天赋就像是地球上的自然资源一样，它也许一直都在，但你可能永远都发现不了，它可能被埋藏起来了，你可能要很努力地寻找。然而，对于能力，学校通常都只停留在狭隘的观念上，尤其是在一些学术科目中，这就是为什么学生们在学校的大部分时间都在书写和坐在座位上。我不是说那些不重要，但那不能发掘人类的全部天赋，因此学校常常会忽略掉年轻人真正的天赋。你知道吗，我认为……我们真的需要进行教育改革，改变已经开始了，而且我认为改变的速度会更快的。
Aurora： Are…are the teachers helping on that or not？
Robinson： Well， some are， and…and some aren’t. It’s a very complicated system. There are a lot of people in education who have been in this for a very long time， and they don’t necessarily see the need for change and don’t necessarily feel very well-equipped to bring the change about even if they were to understand it. So I think there is a big generational shift that will happen. I think as this generation of young people moves through the system， you may well find that the whole context will have changed and…and they’ll have， you know， a different set of attitudes and energies to bring to this shift.
Host： Sir Ken Robinson is considered one of the prominent voices of education today. Producer Aurora Velez met him in Paris to talk about talents， innovation and educational challenges.
主持人：肯·罗宾逊爵士被认为是当今教育界最权威的声音之一。制片人奥罗拉·维莱斯在巴黎采访了他，一起谈谈天赋、创造力以及教育面临的挑战。
Aurora： Sir Ken Robinson， in your latest book， The Element， you talk about our talents. Is the school killing them？ In which way？
Robinson： Well， schools sometimes ignore them， I would say. Part of the argument of the book is that we all have very different talents， and they show themselves in all sorts of different areas. You know， for some people， it may be science or mathematics; for other people it may be dance or music. I always think of human talents like the Earth’s natural resources. You know， they may be there， but you may never discover them. They may be buried. You may have to work hard to find them. And schools tend to focus on a very narrow idea of ability， you know， particularly a certain sort of academic work， so it’s why students at school spend most of their time writing and sitting down. And I’m not saying those things aren’t important， but they’re not the whole of human talent， and so schools often ignore young people’s real talent. You know， I think that…that we do need a revolution in education， so the change is beginning to happen， and I think it’ll get faster.
奥罗拉：肯·罗宾逊爵士，在你最新的书《让天赋自由》中，你讲到了天赋。学校是否抹杀了我们的天赋，体现在哪方面呢？
罗宾逊：我认为学校有时候会忽略掉学生的天赋。书中的部分观点就是我们都有着各自不同的天赋，体现在不同的领域中。例如，有些人有科学或数学方面的天赋，有些人可能有舞蹈或音乐方面的天赋。我一直认为人类的天赋就像是地球上的自然资源一样，它也许一直都在，但你可能永远都发现不了，它可能被埋藏起来了，你可能要很努力地寻找。然而，对于能力，学校通常都只停留在狭隘的观念上，尤其是在一些学术科目中，这就是为什么学生们在学校的大部分时间都在书写和坐在座位上。我不是说那些不重要，但那不能发掘人类的全部天赋，因此学校常常会忽略掉年轻人真正的天赋。你知道吗，我认为……我们真的需要进行教育改革，改变已经开始了，而且我认为改变的速度会更快的。
Aurora： Are…are the teachers helping on that or not？
Robinson： Well， some are， and…and some aren’t. It’s a very complicated system. There are a lot of people in education who have been in this for a very long time， and they don’t necessarily see the need for change and don’t necessarily feel very well-equipped to bring the change about even if they were to understand it. So I think there is a big generational shift that will happen. I think as this generation of young people moves through the system， you may well find that the whole context will have changed and…and they’ll have， you know， a different set of attitudes and energies to bring to this shift.