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萨缪尔森:逐渐逐渐地,更多的中国劳动人口将在公司里工作,其收入将与其生产的适销的符合人们需求的产品相适应,而不是为了实现某些计划指标或配额,或通过接受补贴,而在即使没有需求的情况下维持生产。我有一个电子表,走得比任何瑞士表还准,我只花了1美元。我查看了这只表的背面,发现是中国制造的。然而表的电池用完了,我非常需要它,想为它买节电池,可没有人制造,于是我只能把表扔掉,再去买一只新的。在中国,也有大量的国内市场需求。有人说我相信市场,但不要不平等,我相信市场,但我不要失业。那我要对他说,你不是相信市场,市场不仅仅只是一个获利的机制,那是一个有利润有损失的机制。我的老先生熊彼得说过关于创造性的破坏,市场总是要破坏旧制度下的利益。如果你总想对此补偿,或防止它发生,那么你就不是真正相信市场。所以,过渡将不是轻而易举的,而是一个很不平等的过程。我认为中国大陆有一个很有希望的机会,大陆大部分地区消费自己所生产的东西,古巴也是如此。古巴不穷,因为纽约国民银行给它带来了机会。印尼因为是荷兰的殖民地,那些地方生产力低下。当时他们成功时,他们将利用外国的一些帮助。他们还引进国外的知识,任何人都可使用知识,它就在那儿,等着你去采用。
Samuelson: Gradually, more Chinese workforce will work in the company and their income will be adapted to the products they produce that are fit for the needs of the people rather than to some of the planned targets or quotas Accept subsidies, and maintain production even without demand. I have a digital watch that goes further than any Swiss watch and I only spent $ 1. I checked the back of this watch and found it to be made in China. However, the battery of the watch runs out. I really need it. I want to buy a battery for it. Nobody can make it. So I can only throw the watch away and buy a new one. In China, there is also a large demand for the domestic market. Some people say I believe the market, but not inequality, I believe the market, but I do not want to lose the job. Then I want to tell him that you do not believe in the market. The market is not just a profit-making mechanism. It is a profit-loss mechanism. My old gentleman, Bear Peter, has said that with regard to the creative destruction, the market always wants to undermine the interests of the old system. If you always want to compensate for this, or prevent it from happening, then you do not really believe in the market. Therefore, the transition will not be easy, but a very unequal process. I think there is a very promising opportunity in mainland China. Most parts of the continent consume what they produce. So is Cuba. Cuba is not poor because the National Bank of New York gave it an opportunity. Indonesia is a colony of the Netherlands, where productivity is low. At the time they were successful, they would take advantage of some foreign help. They also introduce foreign knowledge, anyone can use the knowledge, it is there, waiting for you to adopt.